Monday, April 24, 2017

So Whedon Is Directing Batgrrrrrrrrrrl

"She came up, and I started getting obsessed with how a young woman could get hardcore enough to need to put on the cowl. Like, what's her damage?"

Joss Whedon continues his lifelong journey down the highway of sexual projection with his new project Batgirl.

At this point he clearly believes his own publicity. Which is not a good idea.

The truth is that anyone who directed the Avengers movie was going to be captaining a monster but yes, granted, he now has two James Cameron sized hits under his belt. But is it really earned glory? Or did he simply build this work on the shoulders of giants?

Avengers raked in 1.5 billion

Avengers: Age of Cylon Thing pulled in 1.4 billion

Captain America: Civil War was basically Avengers III and it came in at a lower 1.15 billion. Now that is a damn good boxoffice return and I would be happy to have that kind of change jingling in my pocket but it is also a respectable drop off in revenue. Keep in mind, Joss Whedon did not direct Civil War...but everyone agrees that Civil War was a much better movie than Age of Ultron. So that is not really a plus for Whedon or for Marvel. Fan interest is still very much alive but it is clearly diminishing.

But now we aren't talking about Marvel. We are now talking about the most feckless movie franchise in all of superherodom. DC Comics.

Granted, DC does just fine when it comes to the small screen. In fact the less money that is being spent on production the better. It's animated versions of Batman, Superman and the Justice League would be hard pressed to get it more right. They are arguably, classics. Live Action TV versions are another matter but the current CW crop, despite being drenched in SJWism aren't too far off base. The vibe is there, they managed to capture the characters.

Which makes the DC Comics movies soooo much worse. DC has a major problem in that it's corporate ownership, Warner Brothers, has no feel for the property they own. They have more love for Bugs Bunny than they do Superman. Bugs and Daffy they get on an instinctive level. Bats and Supes, they don't have a clue.

They have done alright with Batman recently but the last good Superman movie was released in 1978. Batman V Superman while technically a hit, had the biggest market dropoff in movie history. Although is still moved tickets to the tune of 870 million. Suicide Squad had a huge world wide boxoffice of 750 million.

Now this is darn good money considering the fact that these movies were absolute shit.

So there is basically zero doubt that Batgirl the Motion Picture will make a lot money because comic book hero fanboys are basically mindless zombies who will troop in to seen anything at all provided there is a guy in tights and a cape and things that go BOOM.

...or will they?

Batgirl doesn't exactly have a gigantic fanbase and as for Whedon's core fanbase, mostly consists of Firefly fans who don't know that Tim Minear was the guy who did all the heavy lifting on that show.

I predict that it will make money but there is the real possibility that we are looking at Ghostbusters the bat themed superheroine movie.

UPDATE: If Guardians of the Galaxy had been made my DC.


Jon Mollison said...

Joss Whedon's first question when he spots somebody fighting to make the world a better place is really, "what's her damage"? That's...not a healthy mindset at all. Tells me everything I need to know about this movie. Pass.

L. Beau said...

I'm sure that Cataline is right about the money side. As for the actual quality of the film, it might boil down to script. Up to this point, Batgirl has really just been an adjunct to the Batman storylines (but you can take that w/ a grain of salt, I'm really only familiar with the "Bat" characters thru TV and movies.) Can Batgirl carry a movie on her own?

On casting, if it were different female character, I would say that fans are screwed. There is very little chance that we're gonna a Gal Gadot, who is a slim 128 lbs, but hey, at least she's 5'10". One doesn't have to strain disbelief quite as much with her as with the average pixie-ninja. Besides, isn't Wonder Woman a superhuman Greek demi-goddess? Maybe her non-human physiology allows her to lift boulders, even with Miss Gadot's muscle mass.

The other reason that I say fans are hosed on casting: pixie-ninjas are Whedon's thing: Buffy, River Tam, and the other Summer Glau character from that Terminator TV series. He'll never cast an actress athletic looking enough to have us believe that she'd at least be a good martial artist when fighting other women if a 5'1", 94 lb. gymnast type is available.

But then, Batgirl was the original pixie-ninja, wasn't she? Yovanne Craig was 5'3". And the Batgirl character did not have a fig-leaf of non-human heritage, a cyborg body, or some kind mystic chi powers to explain how she easily bested men twice her weight. According to the 1960's series, she was just the daughter of a police commissioner who put on a mask one day, then boom, she fights on a level with Batman and Robin, a man and a teenage boy who had spent years training and honing their combat skills.

Cataline Sergius said...


Try reading his Twitter feed.

It is becoming nearly incoherent in places.

Cataline Sergius said...

Actually, not so much incoherent as it is an online competency hearing.

Cataline Sergius said...

@L. Beau

Batgirl is something of a blank slate.

When she was introduced she was just the dingy daughter of Commissioner Gordon and she would get in over her head and Batman would bail her out of it. She was completely incompetent.

That changed when the TV show decided they needed a Bat-Chick to boost ratings...which didn't work.

Now there was an iteration of Barbara Gordon that had some depth after Joker shot Batgirl in the spine, raped her and left her paralyzed for life. But Oracle was a bit too real for feminist tastes.

It all but said, this is what happens when girls try to be superheroes. So she has gone down the memory hole.

Robert Pinkerton said...

Super-hero, schmuperhero, stuporhero, pooperhero. All of these are secularized messiah-figures, also dei/deae ex machina.

Kentucky Headhunter said...

I put the chances of this movie being crap at greater than 95%.

Whedon directing, second tier (at best) character as the lead, plus a likely terrible script, plus a likely terrible mis-cast in the lead, plus it's a Warner/DC film.

Suicide Squad is on cable now and I caught the last hour of it over the weekend. I really don't believe that there was ever a script for that movie, just a bunch of ideas written down on napkins or skimmed from fan-boy sites that they decided to film and try to string together into a movie. Yes, Margot Robbie is hot in that outfit ( I'd rather have Cara Delevinge), but that movie just sucked. Here's some great dialogue between Will Smith and some other guy, "Are you threatening me?" "Yes, I'm threatening you." "He just threatened me!". This shit was in the dailies and got green-lit.

That pile of crap still made over $700 mil gross, so I agree that Batgirl could make a fortune or it could turn into another Catwoman.

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( don't trifle with me, son. i'm a professional, certified 4th degree black belt in the ancient Hebrew martial art of Kibitz Maga ) said...

Kentucky Headhunter said...
( I'd rather have Cara Delevinge)


((( bob kek mando ))) - ( don't trifle with me, son. i'm a professional, certified 4th degree black belt in the ancient Hebrew martial art of Kibitz Maga ) said...

Jon Mollison said...
Joss Whedon's first question when he spots somebody fighting to make the world a better place is really, "what's her damage"? That's...not a healthy mindset at all. Tells me everything I need to know about this movie. Pass.

that's actually common in Hollywood, that the people out there are pretty messed up.

listen to the Rogan podcast, it's really bad with stand up comics.

but just think about: a HEALTHY girl doesn't run out to Hollywood to bounce on casting couches. and most of the men aren't much better.

so they're habituated to asking that "what's his/her damage?", because pretty much everybody they meet is REALLY messed up in one way or another.

read a biography of James Dean sometime. he sucked a lot of dick, and his relationships with his girlfriends were all, uniformly, defective.